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February 01, 2009

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kmkat

My mom was a Head Start teacher back in the 1960s when the program first started. She found that bribing the students with a quarter would get them to school each day and another quarter won her good behavior from them. This bribing thing has been going on a long time...

Sylvia

I like it when you get serious. And I couldn't agree with you more. I've been reading about expectations in public schools and the way that low expectations are expressed even by the most well-meaning teachers. Of course this is most often the case for the disadvantaged students in any district, but the type of stuff you're talking about is really lowering the bar for all students. Rewards should be reserved for behavior that extends beyond what is expected.

Mary

Yike. We do pay our kids for good grades -- a sliding scale that rewards straight A's with a much bigger payout than A's with 1 B, for instance. Our thinking is that it is their job, and we wouldn't do a job for no pay -- but your school system sounds like it is over the edge. I know this is a controversial subject though.

We solved the "funding raising with stuff I don't want" problem by writing a check to the school for each kid at the beginning of the year and ingnoring all further requests.

Faerielady

D and I had a big talk about fundraisers at the beginning of the year. I just send a check to the school and call it good.

I threw a huge fit that my ex was paying my daughter to clean her room. I called b.s. on that... she's not going to get paid for that in the future, it is an expectation and there is no reward for doing what you have to do. There is only rewards for clearly exceeding expectations... and my expectations are very high. I know what she's capable of doing and I do not accept sub-par performance. I will encourage and counsel, but I won't reward "doing just enough to skate by".

D

Here's a bigger yikes for you.

They don't do this at top bracket high schools. I don't know why they don't do it, but having watched (and occasionally helped) M slog through what is undisputedly one of the top 10 high schools in the same state as our Lady Shadowdancer here. There were banquets for every department at the end of the year & lots of lovely little paper certificates for the "Best this" and "Most Improved that", but there weren't gift card rewards. I suppose that could have been because financial rewards wouldn't work as well in an affluent community, but I don't think it was. The school was very strict about education being these kids job & treating it like one. M got to college & thought her first year in CU was flat out easy, because she was really ready. She still generally carries 16+ hours & aces them at a walk, while having an active social life. I can't say I think the lack of financial incentive hurt the kids in getting ready for college.

We did give bonuses for good grades at home, on a sliding scale as Mary mentioned she does, and largely for the same reason. School was their job & we treated report cards like performance reviews. Rather than a raise at review time, if your grades broke the average required minimum (translates to C's), you got a bonus based on how well you did.

But as bad as your school sounds, picture this - a high school where the teachers have to call the parents for approval before assigning detention. Then the teachers are blamed for the poor behavior of the students. It's not a what if. The school is in Colorado & a friend of mine taught at it for about 7 months.

Our educational system, like many of our social systems, is broken. The real question, in my mind at least, is do we have what it takes to fix it?

Colleen G

*sighs* I agree. But this issue riles me up in a bad manner. It's probably reason 827 that I'm not sure I should have kids. ;)

Nicole

:) Good topic. When I was teaching, there was lots of serious discussion about rewarding kids for doing what they were expected to do. In music (I taught elementary general music), we felt it was a dangerously slippery slope to reward kids by taking them OUT of class. I think that it validates the kid's perception that school and school work is an undesirable activity. In my class, the reward for doing well in music class, was more music class... Grins. As a kid, I was never paid for grades, though my sister was. I was a straight A student and was owed some serious back pay.... Just kidding. I can't imagine that I'll ever pay for good grades (though I've learned never to say never...) That said, I do pay my 6 year old a quarter a week to keep her room clean. Yep. 1930s wages. At the end of the week she can take her quarter to the grocery store and get something from the vending machine that I never let her get anything out of or save it. :) So far she hasn't spent any. So maybe she's learning something? Who knows.

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